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  • #16
    Originally posted by tobynt View Post
    PC Dmis can only be put on a Faro arm that is at least a year old.
    ?? ran ONE THREE YEARS AGO WITH 3.5.
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    • #17
      I will strongly voice my opinion here.

      Faro Software; cam 2 measur x is totally inferior to the pcdmis software.

      No matter what the "glitches" you may have, or find in pcdmis, it is nothing in comparison to the cam 2 software.

      i) as stated above, you can only have 1 alignment. If you have multiple datum schemes, the solution that I was told was to make "multiple" reports.

      ii) during measurement, if you add notes to the "note" tab they do not show up in your report.

      iii) extremely irritating is the fact that the rotation of the cad file on screen can drive you totally insane.

      iv) mirroring of a cad file does not work as it should. Aslo, you can not delete cad features as you can in pcdmis.

      v) you are not able to measure all features, and then report them in the order that you wish to. This is easily done in pcdmis.

      vi) you can only have one crappy view of your part in the cam 2 software.

      vii) many of my cad files will not "function" as they should. Not able to pick up surfaces etc. Also, many times I have to consctuct a nominal for each feature and then associate it manually. (What a waste of time that is, espedially if you have many features).



      These are just some of my observations over the past few months that I have been subjected to this software.

      I would love to be back programming in the "demon".

      Kindest Regards,
      ZydecoPete
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      • #18
        When I had to use a Faro arm, we went through a lot of encoders. The place I worked at the time had two Faro arms and one was always in for encoder repairs. The cam 2 software did not work correctly on a large mold with shrinkage bulit into the die. It could not balance the error equally around the part. We had Faro out and they could not get it to work correctly. The die had to be put on a machine with PCDMIS to get it to iterate correctly. Also always use a surge protector with a battery back up. because it is easy to fry your arm with a power surge.

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        • #19
          trichards,

          Thanks. I have actually forgotten about surge protectors.

          ZydecoPete
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          • #20
            We have been using Faro arms for about 5 years in our office. We just bout a Romer arm with Laser scanner about a month ago. The Cam 2 software is very simple to use out of the box for simple setups and quick measurements. The software is very limited to their caned measurement features. Also we have had a lot of encoder problems with our arms. They have never made it from one annual calibration to the next without having to be repaired. I am just starting with pcdemis and have been impressed so for. The cad capability is much better the Cam 2. It picks up the nominal without any problem. With Cam 2 you must define all of them first and then measure them. I hope this helps. Jeff

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            • #21
              We've got 3 Faro Arms & another that I've had access to for about 2 months. Of our arms, two are older "Gold" arms that do not have the 'infinite' range encoders. The other arm & the one I have access to are both Titanium arms.

              The two "Gold" arms have only had one encoder go out one of them in 4 years (a few months ago).

              The older of the two Titanium arms has had two encoders replaced, then the next time one went out, they replaced the entire arm (completely new arm - serial number & all - not just new sections). Now with the replaced Arm, we've sent it back twice - just boxed it up to send it today - we hadn't had it back a month.

              The other Titanium arm I have access to is basically unused except for testing out by programmers - no shop floor techs. It's too new to have had problems and thankfully, it hasn't.

              I'm just starting on PCDMIS for our CMM & didn't even realize it was available for Faro Arms. I'm still using Cam2Measure & SoftCheckTools (SoftCheckTools should be named [email protected]$$).

              Glad to see our new Arms are as "good" as everyone else's.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Peter Warcholyk View Post
                I will strongly voice my opinion here.

                Faro Software; cam 2 measur x is totally inferior to the pcdmis software.

                No matter what the "glitches" you may have, or find in pcdmis, it is nothing in comparison to the cam 2 software.

                i) as stated above, you can only have 1 alignment. If you have multiple datum schemes, the solution that I was told was to make "multiple" reports.

                ii) during measurement, if you add notes to the "note" tab they do not show up in your report.

                iii) extremely irritating is the fact that the rotation of the cad file on screen can drive you totally insane.

                iv) mirroring of a cad file does not work as it should. Aslo, you can not delete cad features as you can in pcdmis.

                v) you are not able to measure all features, and then report them in the order that you wish to. This is easily done in pcdmis.

                vi) you can only have one crappy view of your part in the cam 2 software.

                vii) many of my cad files will not "function" as they should. Not able to pick up surfaces etc. Also, many times I have to consctuct a nominal for each feature and then associate it manually. (What a waste of time that is, espedially if you have many features).



                These are just some of my observations over the past few months that I have been subjected to this software.

                I would love to be back programming in the "demon".

                Kindest Regards,
                ZydecoPete
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                "People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought, which they seldom use." ~ Soren Kierkegaard

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                • #23
                  Hate PcDmis and CAM2

                  Truth is there are about 10 different programs you can run on either arms. Faro will lead with CAM2, Romer with PcDmis. CAM2 was meant to be quick and easy, PCDmis was built to do more complex work but takes a long time to learn. I'd never buy either of them if I had it to do over, I'd go with Verisurf or Delcam.

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                  • #24
                    Go with Romer

                    Really good support and PC-DMIS has the most power to grow with.

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                    • #25
                      Romer Arm with Polyworks is a nice package
                      ~Josh~ Giles Rescue "Ut ceteri vivant"

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                      • #26
                        Romer comes with a simplified interface PC-DMIS, that is meant to be simple like CAM2, but still has all the power if you need it. Romer also comes standard with Quick Check Tools, for walk up and check type of functions. The best thing to do if you have an inkling of wanting either PC-DMIS or a Romer arm is to ask for a demo. Verisurf and Delcam are both for specific purposes while PC-DMIS is a Swiss Army knife. CAM2 I've heard demos nicely, but then is hard to actually get to do work.
                        --Brian

                        "The best way to predict the future is invent it. This includes your very next action."

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                        • #27
                          IMO,,,,with the Faro,,,the Cam2 is a basic and easy to use software. It isn't as complex or versatile as PC DMIS, but will do the job. The encoders are very fragile and the entire package needs to be handled like a fine piece of china,,,,it isn't as durable as noted in the demo. The hardware and software are work specific,,,,simple or complex are the determining factors......oh ya and the $$$
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                          • #28
                            Everything is a compromise. We purchased a ROMER and I have used a FARO before. Ergonomically speaking I prefer the FARO to the ROMER. Software I prefer the ROMER. I think the ROMER is unweildy when compared to the FARO. The pistol grip of the faro was very intuitive and the ROMER feels clumsy by comparison. And, PLEASE!!!!!!! the different modes (mouse and inspection) is insane the way Hexagon decided to handle it. Clumsy.

                            OK, my rant is over. ROMER with Polyworks is the direction we are going and it appears to be SWEET!!!!!!!
                            Bill Jarrells
                            A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes. - Mark Twain

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by thecoot View Post
                              We have/been using a Faro arm (Silver)with PcDmis and have found it very useful out on the shop floor for jigs, dies etc.Was purchased about 4 years ago and doesn't have the Infinite Rotation that the Romer has now.

                              Coot
                              We were informed that Faro was not compatible with Pc-dmis. How did you handle the marriage of the Two??
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Gary Fitzgerald View Post
                                We were informed that Faro was not compatible with Pc-dmis. How did you handle the marriage of the Two??
                                Who told you this? Faro salesman?

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