True Position with Cylinders

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  • True Position with Cylinders

    Good Morning,

    Question : I was measuring critical features off a fixture that a customer wanted data on and came across something pcdmis did that I'm not quite sure of when I analyzed the true position results. There were some tight toleranced hole locations with mmc that when measured as circles printed out perfectly allowing the bonus tolerance amply for the deviation of the hole's diameter from the low diameter limit. However, I did another feature as a cylinder (there was a perpendicularity callout of the bores' axis of .0005 to the datum plane) and something odd happened that my customer is frowning on as he observed the printout. The cylinder was created by two circles at the top and bottom of the bore and when expressed as a true position callout pcdmis gave me bonus tolerance even though the displayed diameter size of the cylinder was at the low limit. Now, from what I see this may be a result of the way that pcdmis analyzed the cylinder's diameter. On the T.P. printout it specifically calls out the cylinder using the "axis=average" and specifies the diameter at the low limit of tolerance (.1877 + .001) measures .1877. The T.P. is .002 mmc and below it suppiles the deviation from basic and gives me .0004 bonus tolerance that I can't explain to the customer based on the readout of the bare low limit of the diameter. Yet the circular T.P. measurements of other features calculates out to the letter. Is pcdmis doing something here that I should be aware of based on the usege of a constructed cylinder? Could it have something to do with the possibilty of a slight variance of size of the 2 circles used to form it? I need some inputs on this one............

    One more thing please.......

    In an unrelated matter, does anyone have knowledge of a quick inexpensive software to convert TIFF files to something vector related like DXF or DWG. I have a customer who doesn't have a clue that his complex TIFF files contain no geometry that pcdmis can just whip out like a solid model. Thanx everyone!
    Physics dictates to man why his world acts the way it does....Chemistry tells him why it smells the way it does.

  • #2
    Could it be that when you created the cylinder from the 2 circles that you either made it O.D. and it should have been I.D.? Or vise versa?
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    James Mannes

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    • #3
      Is the cylinder the only thing you applied MMC to?
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      • #4
        use datums?

        Do you have the "use datums" box checked? Are you selecting datums as well as the feature in the trueposition window? Most importantly, if you are selecting datums, are you appling MMC to those datums? This could be where the bonus tol is comming from. HTH
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        • #5
          AH!!!!

          Went back into the program and evaluated the cylinder again. I tried using datums on and off and that didn't change the "allowed" bonus tolterance. However, when I clicked off the "use axis average" to evaluate from "end to end of axis" the bonus tolerance allowance went away. The circles creating the cylinder were internal and the software must have a different way of computing mmc tolerance on cylinders depending on the "clicked on" method of evaluation on the bottom of the true position menu. Anyone else have an idea on what's happening there?

          -B-
          Physics dictates to man why his world acts the way it does....Chemistry tells him why it smells the way it does.

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          • #6
            Well, if your circles are different sizes, maybe it is calculating MMC to the calculated size: circle from an intersection of the cylinder and the nominal plane for the feature?
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            Originally posted by AndersI
            I've got one from September 2006 (bug ticket) which has finally been fixed in 2013.

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            • #7
              The whimsical ways of Pcdmis

              Yeah Matt...You got me on this one. I've been using a version of this software since it's first development years ago and I still haven't got a handle on how half of these algorithims function when they analyze certain situations. I may run this one past wilcox one day. For now I'll watch the calculated printouts with alittle more scrutiny for awhile.

              Thanx....B
              Physics dictates to man why his world acts the way it does....Chemistry tells him why it smells the way it does.

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