V3.7-MR3 EXTREME ANNOYANCE

[Matthew D. Hoedeman]

Well, once again, B&S/Wilcox/Hexagon couldn't leave well enough alone. In previous versions, Pcdmis would NOT ask you if you wanted to change workplanes for manual features UNTIL you told it you were DONE measuring the feature. NOW, as soon as IT thinks it can see a feature, it pops up a window asking you if YOU want to change workplanes, AND ALL THE REST OF THE TOUCHES YOU MAKE are not there. I'm all the way at the other end of the machine, measuring an SPC collector (cylinder) and I make my 9 touches, come back to the computer to make sure it makes a cylinder when I tell it I am done, and it is showing ONLY 3 touches and is asking if I want to change workplanes. Why was this changed? Why couldn't they leave WELL ENOUGH ALONE. It worked GREAT the way it was, now, after I take 3 manual touches, I have to come back over to the computer, TELL IT NO, then go back to finish measuring what I was measuring.

THANKS you .........

[craiger_ny]

It was not added with 3.7 I have had that happen on 3.2063, very anoying. It is not like I am watching the screen after each hit, like you I am many hits into it only to find out PCDMIS thought it would be a good idea to thro up a message box thereby ignoring all hits after that.

[Bill **********]

Matt,

I use this all the time in 3.7 Mr 3 and it doesn't do that to me. I use a gage pin and do external cylinders. Are you doing internal?

[kbotta]

NEVER had that happen - 3.2063....
Kev

[craiger_ny]

All then time in 3.2063, have not been using 3.7 enough to have it hit me yet. I'm sure it will we do a lot of multiplane work. I always feel like smashing something when it happens because for some reason it always happens when I am located away from the PC half way twisted up under to get a better view at a feature that is already a pain in the @ss to take hits on. Then 18 hits later when I walk back to the pc there it is "Do you want to change the work plane to...?"

[Bill **********]

Since my network is still down I just looked in the settings editor for a place to turn GUESS MODE off. Surprise.. It doesn't exist there or in the preference settings that I can see.

Bill

[Matthew D. Hoedeman]

I have never had it happen UNTIL V3.7 MR3. I am measuring the insides of the spc bushings. The first 2 are almost perfect to the 'top' workplane (the one I am in) and the other 5 more are about 30 degrees off from 'top'. On the first one, it asked after the 5th hit if I wanted to change to the 'front' workplane (I am using the 'top') and the last 4 hits went for nothing. On the second one, after 3 hits it asked if I wanted to change to the BOTTOM workplane. HUH? How is a circle going to look different from the top to the bottom workplane? I was asked either after 4 or 5 hits for the last 5 if I wanted to change to the front workplane, no hits after the pop-up would register. In V3.5, V3.2063, etc., etc., etc. it would NOT ask if you wanted to change the workplane UNTIL AFTER you said you were DONE measuring the feature. This garbage withit happening in the middle is FINE, if you are taking ALL your manual measurements WHILE sitting at the desk, looking at the screen, OR IF YOU have the volume cranked up so loud that at the far end of the machine you can hear the computer beep over the joybox in your hand (and thus allowing the front office to hear as well). For the rest of us, those that actaully go UP TO THE PART to take the meaurements, this 'NEW FUNCTIONALITY' is a huge ball-peen hammer whacking us on the head! It was just fine and dandy having it ask, AFTER WE HIT DONE, if we wanted to change workplanes. It sure saved some time if WE forgot to change workplanes and it asked if we had wanted to (AFTER WE WERE DONE), but this interrupting US and stopping OUR work is a little extreme. Maybe, since they like to make so many pop-ups, if there could be a SOUND option to let us know when Pcdmis decides to pop-up something. Most people will complain about the BIG issues with Pcdmis, but I'll tell you, it's all the little things that eat away at your sanity on a daily basis that really make you go ballistic, something like THIS that has been the same FOREVER, all the way back to the DOS days and NOW they change it? AND, no doubt about it, for the worse! Sure, I spent some time typing this post in, but I'll tell you, I sure wasted MORE time going back and forth, back and forth, trying to measure these cylinders and having to KEEP on telling Pcdmis, NO, LEAVE THE PLANE ALONE, I AM NOT EVEN DONE MEASURING THE FEATURE YET!

[Matthew D. Hoedeman]

I just did a search for GUESS MODE (V3.7 MR3) and the 'help' it came up with was "USING HARD PROBES".

[craiger_ny]

Matt, I am here to say it has happened to me in 3.2063, maybe not you, I'll buy that but I have been in smash mode over this before. I will say it has never happened where is asks if I want to change to an "opposite" view though. It usually happens to me when doing cylinders, part way through it asks me if I want to change the workplane.

[Matthew D. Hoedeman]

You're just saying that to start a fight, booger-boy Can you get that thing any deeper? (but then, you probably hear that a LOT already!).

Seriously, I never had that happen (that I can recall) until today, it has always asked AFTER the done (when it asked at all). I guess B&S wants us all to have cordless mice, keyboards, monitors so we can carry them to where ever we have to go to do OUR jobs (while they just sit on their rear-ends, collecting OUR SMA payments). In the past, I think the only thing it ever did to me with cylinders was to make them a sphere (8 hits, 4 per 'circle'), I do not recall that it ever asked if I wanted to change workplanes. It has asked on PLANES if I wanted to change workplanes, then it made a circle out of the measurements. But again, ALWAYS after I hit the DONE button.

[craiger_ny]

I have had that happen where it wants to turn planes into circles and it is after I hit the done as well. As soon as I see it wants to change the workplane on a plane I know exactly what is coming next smash mode for me and a circle for PCDMIS. It does not happen a lot on the other deal (asking before done or end is pressed) but when it does it seams to ask a lot leading me to believe it is a bug. Usually buggy things do that, come up repeatedly until a relaunch. Relaunch and reboot should not be considered a solution to anything in my opinion.

[bob mappes]

3.7 MR2

I have this happen when ever I'm probing anything that may be a "side" feature....and yes, I find it a bit annoying too!

but i dunt no anknee bettor

[William Johnson]

Matt there is a toolbar called measure. I use this toolbar when working in a side plane and I anticipate PCDMIS guessing it wrong. They togle on and off. When all are off it is in guess mode. This helps me from the same agravation that you have now.

[Matthew D. Hoedeman]

Yep, I have seen that toolbar, but I don't use it. Are you saying that you can toggle on CYLINDER and it will stay on until you turn it off, or do you have to click on cylinder for each feature you are about to measure. If you have to click it for each feature, then I will still be walking back and forth from the pc to the other end of the table.

[phil george]

I also had this happen quite often in 3.2063. Only once since I switched to 3.7. And yes, when using the measured toolbar it stays on until you turn it off and that does mean a lot of walking back and forth.