Anyone Having success Measuring very small radial features??

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    I was hoping that the machine/software package(Global Image 7-10-7, 3.7MR3) could verify the odd features and locations thereof that we encounter everyday around here. Very short larger diameter cones where the length is less than 10% of the diameters. But I'm realizing that these things may be mathematically unfeasable.
    I'm sure that experienced programmers each have their bag of tricks-
    I certainly am in the market for some. Since 2006, even I have some
    ways to "do" the "undoable" with fair certainty.
    I think, in general that I've been forced to realize that CMM is not the silver bullet for every situation that I was hoping it was. Maybe a different
    CMM/Software combo??
    I enjoy the challenge of doing what others say can't be done, but most of the time my tongue is hanging out with little to show for it.
    I've never been a drinker,but................................

    Tks
    Mike
    Last edited by MJBolster; 08-15-2007, 10:58 AM. Reason: sp
    "listening for the last trump... looking toward the eastern sky"

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    Have you looked into QuinDos? It is high end and not user friendly ( workable) but I believe it is what you are looking for.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by MJBolster View Post
      I was hoping that the machine/software package(Global Image 7-10-7, 3.7MR3) could verify the odd features and locations thereof that we encounter everyday around here. Very short larger diameter cones where the length is less than 10% of the diameters. But I'm realizing that these things may be mathematically unfeasable.
      I'm sure that experienced programmers each have their bag of tricks-
      I certainly am in the market for some. Since 2006, even I have some
      ways to "do" the "undoable" with fair certainty.
      I think, in general that I've been forced to realize that CMM is not the silver bullet for every situation that I was hoping it was. Maybe a different
      CMM/Software combo??
      I enjoy the challenge of doing what others say can't be done, but most of the time my tongue is hanging out with little to show for it.
      I've never been a drinker,but................................

      Tks
      Mike
      PC DMIS consistently tops the charts for accuracy and repeatability of CMM Software Programs.

      With that said, calculating a radius from a small section is virtually impossible if the points takes were 100% accurate.

      Use Profile. A trick to use when you cannot get Engineering to switch to profile is to translate your Origin to the theoretical center of the radius and take radial points (polar Vector points) along the surface. Report the MIN and the MAX Radial Distance.

      Best is to get Eng to swith to profile
      Bill Jarrells
      A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes. - Mark Twain

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      • #4
        If your engineers want you to check radii have them give you the coordinates of that radius from the datum and take points then do polar distance.
        I used to be high on life but I built up a tolerance.

        Brown & Sharpe Global Advantage
        PCDMIS CAD++ v2011mr2
        PH10MQ/SP600M


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          Unfortunately the engineers responsible for our designs have probably long retired from the Govt. The engineers in charge of the programs have little to do with the engineering. We are the receipt inspection dept. We simply want to verify that the hardware and assembly parts that are purchased for our programs meet the dwg. specs. We have to deal with 50 years of shifting GD&T standards and very strange drawing callouts.
          Its a semi secure job but a really weird environment.

          MJB
          "listening for the last trump... looking toward the eastern sky"

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          • #6
            Well there's always radius gages
            I used to be high on life but I built up a tolerance.

            Brown & Sharpe Global Advantage
            PCDMIS CAD++ v2011mr2
            PH10MQ/SP600M


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            • #7
              Most of our "obsure" (for want of a better word) features also have positional callouts- my radius gages are the cheap kind - they can't do that very good-
              or, maybe I just need more practice

              MJB
              "listening for the last trump... looking toward the eastern sky"

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              • #8
                Originally posted by MJBolster View Post
                Most of our "obsure" (for want of a better word) features also have positional callouts- my radius gages are the cheap kind - they can't do that very good-
                or, maybe I just need more practice

                MJB
                With a positional callout you have ALL you need.

                Translate Alignment to Theoretical Center.
                Measure Radial Points.

                The tolerance (accept / reject) for the radial points is as follows:
                ± 1/2 the True Position + the Radius Size Tolerance (IF Callout is RFS)
                OR
                Same as Above but the PLUS tolerance gets TWO Times the Radius Size Tolerance with MMC


                That will cover a TRUE Position and a Radius with +/- tolerances.
                Bill Jarrells
                A lie can travel half way around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes. - Mark Twain

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                • #9
                  TKS Bill--

                  MJB
                  "listening for the last trump... looking toward the eastern sky"

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