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I am brand new to the PC-DMIS software in Greensboro NC. My background is working with the Zeiss CMM and Calypso software which seems to be a little more user- friendly. I have been following the manual step for step and have accomplished in writing a test program. However, when I go to run the program, a fault appears and tells me that the parameters are out of tolerance. I have tried what little I know about this software and nothing seems to work. I need some help here.
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Does it say Machine Parameters Out of Tolerance?
It could be that you have an alignment issue.
Also, if your part is to close to the edges of the measurement envelope, this will come up.
Can you post the beginning of your code?When in doubt, post code. A second set of eyes might see something you missed.
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Are you in manual or dcc mode prior to the alignment? Should be Manual.sigpicSummer Time. Gotta Love it!
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It sounds like you might be defining a feature or move point that is out of the machine tolerance. Like John K. said, you could be too close to the measurement envelope. There is a soft zone where you can manually move your probe but dcc won't allow due to safety precautions.I used to be high on life but I built up a tolerance.
Brown & Sharpe Global Advantage
PCDMIS CAD++ v2011mr2
PH10MQ/SP600M
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The error I keep getting is TR_OUTOL. I am writing the program in "manual" mode. Where can I find the "envelope" because the part is sitting more to the right of the table versus the center.Comment
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Can you post your alignment code?sigpic
if you had soap on a rope it would be tied to yer ankleComment
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Originally posted by emurray View Post
We were talking more to the edge of the machine. View your graphics display and see that all features are located appropriately around the datum.
When you get the error, and cancel the program, a red arrow should appear next to the feature in question. Double check that feature to see that the x,y,z locations are correct.I used to be high on life but I built up a tolerance.
Brown & Sharpe Global Advantage
PCDMIS CAD++ v2011mr2
PH10MQ/SP600M
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Hard to tell what is happening without seeing what your program does. As mentioned in a prior post, post your program.Comment
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Here is a copy of the test program that I am trying to write. Please keep in mind that this is my second day uising this software and it is nothing like calypso. I used some basic features and alignments. PLEASE HELP
RECALL/ALIGNMENT,INTERNAL, ALIGNMENT/TRANS,YAXIS,CIR1 ALIGNMENT/TRANS,XAXIS,CIR1 ALIGNMENT/TRANS,ZAXIS,PLN1 ALIGNMENT/LEVEL,ZPLUS,PLN1A2 =ALIGNMENT/START,RECALL:STARTUP, LIST= YES
ALIGNMENT/LEVEL,ZPLUS,PLN1
ALIGNMENT/TRANS,ZAXIS,PLN1
ALIGNMENT/TRANS,XAXIS,CIR1
ALIGNMENT/TRANS,YAXIS,CIR1
ALIGNMENT/ENDTP MMC 0.0000 0.0000 0.0052 164.8219 0.0052 -------->D2 0.4473 0.0000 0.0000 0.4470 CIRCLE CIR2 AT RFS D1 0.4465 0.0000 0.0000 0.4467 CIRCLE CIR4 AT RFS DF 0.4451 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.4503 0.0052 0.0052 -------->Y 12.4934 12.4941 0.0007 X 15.6724 15.6699 -0.0025 DIM LOC1= TRUE POSITION OF CIRCLE CIR3 UNITS=IN ,$
GRAPH=OFF TEXT=OFF MULT=10.00 OUTPUT=BOTH DEV PERPEN CENTERLINE=OFF DISPLAY=DIAMETER
AX NOMINAL +TOL -TOL BONUS MEAS DEV DEVANG OUTTOL
X 15.6724 15.6699 -0.0025
Y 12.4934 12.4941 0.0007
DF 0.4451 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.4503 0.0052 0.0052 -------->
D1 0.4465 0.0000 0.0000 0.4467 CIRCLE CIR4 AT RFS
D2 0.4473 0.0000 0.0000 0.4470 CIRCLE CIR2 AT RFS
TP MMC 0.0000 0.0000 0.0052 164.8219 0.0052 -------->
END OF DIMENSION LOC1 HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,12.794,7.7396,-17.6873,0.6650065,-0.7468376,0,12.8003,7.7452,-17.7381,USE THEO = YES HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,13.0433,7.3762,-17.6873,-0.4572583,0.8893339,0,13.0411,7.3751,-17.7381,USE THEO = YES HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,12.7713,7.4277,-17.6873,0.759656,0.6503252,0,12.7479,7.4596,-17.7381,USE THEO = YES HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,13.1338,7.6895,-17.6873,-0.8563899,-0.5163297,0,13.1316,7.6922,-17.7381,USE THEO = YES MOVE/CLEARPLANECIR4 =FEAT/CIRCLE,RECT,IN,LEAST_SQR
THEO/12.9418,7.5737,-17.6873,0,0,1,0.4465
ACTL/12.9411,7.5735,-17.7381,0,0,1,0.4467
MEAS/CIRCLE,4,WORKPLANE
MOVE/CLEARPLANE
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,13.1338,7.6895,-17.6873,-0.8563899,-0.5163297,0,13.1316,7.6922,-17.7381,USE THEO = YES
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,12.7713,7.4277,-17.6873,0.759656,0.6503252,0,12.7479,7.4596,-17.7381,USE THEO = YES
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,13.0433,7.3762,-17.6873,-0.4572583,0.8893339,0,13.0411,7.3751,-17.7381,USE THEO = YES
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,12.794,7.7396,-17.6873,0.6650065,-0.7468376,0,12.8003,7.7452,-17.7381,USE THEO = YES
ENDMEAS/ HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,15.4514,12.5083,-17.7499,0.9977298,-0.0673444,0,15.4457,12.4704,-17.7224,USE THEO = YES HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,15.8933,12.5083,-17.7498,-0.9977194,-0.0674981,0,15.8936,12.4704,-17.7223,USE THEO = YES HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,15.6915,12.7163,-17.7498,-0.0850857,-0.9963736,0,15.6902,12.3072,-17.7223,USE THEO = YES HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,15.6813,12.27,-17.7497,-0.0394931,0.9992198,0,15.6893,12.6802,-17.7223,USE THEO = YES MOVE/CLEARPLANECIR3 =FEAT/CIRCLE,RECT,IN,LEAST_SQR
THEO/15.6724,12.4934,-17.7498,0,0,1,0.4451
ACTL/15.6697,12.4937,-17.7223,0,0,1,0.4503
MEAS/CIRCLE,4,WORKPLANE
MOVE/CLEARPLANE
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,15.6813,12.27,-17.7497,-0.0394931,0.9992198,0,15.6893,12.6802,-17.7223,USE THEO = YES
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,15.6915,12.7163,-17.7498,-0.0850857,-0.9963736,0,15.6902,12.3072,-17.7223,USE THEO = YES
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,15.8933,12.5083,-17.7498,-0.9977194,-0.0674981,0,15.8936,12.4704,-17.7223,USE THEO = YES
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,15.4514,12.5083,-17.7499,0.9977298,-0.0673444,0,15.4457,12.4704,-17.7224,USE THEO = YES
ENDMEAS/ HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,18.2834,7.4699,-17.6992,0.3426368,0.9394679,0,18.2637,7.4788,-17.6778,USE THEO = YES HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,18.5713,7.751,-17.6991,-0.9475703,-0.3195474,0,18.531,7.8193,-17.6777,USE THEO = YES HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,18.1734,7.8036,-17.6992,0.8330036,-0.5532675,0,18.1596,7.7793,-17.6778,USE THEO = YES HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,18.5667,7.5927,-17.6991,-0.9217923,0.3876841,0,18.5627,7.5818,-17.6778,USE THEO = YES MOVE/CLEARPLANECIR2 =FEAT/CIRCLE,RECT,IN,LEAST_SQR
THEO/18.3599,7.6797,-17.6992,0,0,1,0.4473
ACTL/18.3601,7.6791,-17.6778,0,0,1,0.447
MEAS/CIRCLE,4,WORKPLANE
MOVE/CLEARPLANE
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,18.5667,7.5927,-17.6991,-0.9217923,0.3876841,0,18.5627,7.5818,-17.6778,USE THEO = YES
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,18.1734,7.8036,-17.6992,0.8330036,-0.5532675,0,18.1596,7.7793,-17.6778,USE THEO = YES
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,18.5713,7.751,-17.6991,-0.9475703,-0.3195474,0,18.531,7.8193,-17.6777,USE THEO = YES
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,18.2834,7.4699,-17.6992,0.3426368,0.9394679,0,18.2637,7.4788,-17.6778,USE THEO = YES
ENDMEAS/ HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,14.3674,9.3373,-17.5305,0.9998593,-0.0167717,0,14.3697,9.2986,-17.6012,USE THEO = YES HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,16.8721,9.3375,-17.5305,-0.9998575,-0.0168806,0,16.8697,9.2707,-17.6012,USE THEO = YES HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,15.5312,8.0772,-17.5305,0.0715583,0.9974364,0,15.4239,10.5031,-17.6013,USE THEO = YES HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,15.5311,10.5553,-17.5306,0.0717007,-0.9974262,0,15.6321,8.1139,-17.6011,USE THEO = YES MOVE/CLEARPLANECIR1 =FEAT/CIRCLE,RECT,IN,LEAST_SQR
THEO/15.6201,9.3163,-17.5305,0,0,1,2.4947
ACTL/15.6205,9.3163,-17.6012,0,0,1,2.4905
MEAS/CIRCLE,4,WORKPLANE
MOVE/CLEARPLANE
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,15.5311,10.5553,-17.5306,0.0717007,-0.9974262,0,15.6321,8.1139,-17.6011,USE THEO = YES
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,15.5312,8.0772,-17.5305,0.0715583,0.9974364,0,15.4239,10.5031,-17.6013,USE THEO = YES
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,16.8721,9.3375,-17.5305,-0.9998575,-0.0168806,0,16.8697,9.2707,-17.6012,USE THEO = YES
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,14.3674,9.3373,-17.5305,0.9998593,-0.0167717,0,14.3697,9.2986,-17.6012,USE THEO = YES
ENDMEAS/ HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,15.7211,6.849,-17.0947,-0.0127343,0.0015754,0.9999177,15.721,6.8489,-17.0921,USE THEO = YES HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,18.0435,9.1007,-17.0686,-0.0127343,0.0015754,0.9999177,18.0434,9.1007,-17.0648,USE THEO = YES HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,15.1793,11.6246,-17.1091,-0.0127343,0.0015754,0.9999177,17.3267,11.063,-17.0886,USE THEO = YES MOVE/CLEARPLANEPLN1 =FEAT/PLANE,RECT,TRIANGLE
THEO/16.3147,9.1915,-17.0908,-0.0127343,0.0015754,0.9999177
ACTL/15.5484,9.1693,-17.0866,0.0031603,-0.0018859,0.9999932
MEAS/PLANE,3
MOVE/CLEARPLANE
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,15.1793,11.6246,-17.1091,-0.0127343,0.0015754,0.9999177,17.3267,11.063,-17.0886,USE THEO = YES
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,18.0435,9.1007,-17.0686,-0.0127343,0.0015754,0.9999177,18.0434,9.1007,-17.0648,USE THEO = YES
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,15.7211,6.849,-17.0947,-0.0127343,0.0015754,0.9999177,15.721,6.8489,-17.0921,USE THEO = YES
ENDMEAS/ TIP/T1A0B0, SHANKIJK=0, 0, 1, ANGLE=0 LOADPROBE/1MM_20SHANK_40EXT FLY/ON,0.1181 TOUCHSPEED/ 1.2 MOVESPEED/ 100 COMMENT/OPER,NO,Warning! Machine will be in "DCC" mode. MOVESPEED/ 50 CLEARP/ZPLUS,0.5,ZPLUS,0 FORMAT/TEXT,OPTIONS,ID,HEADINGS,SYMBOLS, ;NOM,TOL,MEAS,MAXMIN,DEV,DEVANG,OUTTOL MODE/DCC MOVESPEED/ 50 FORMAT/TEXT,OPTIONS,ID,HEADINGS,SYMBOLS, ;NOM,TOL,MEAS,MAXMIN,DEV,DEVANG,OUTTOL CLEARP/ZPLUS,0.5,ZPLUS,0STARTUP =ALIGNMENT/START,RECALL:, LIST= YES
ALIGNMENT/ENDPART NAME : Test
REV NUMBER :
SER NUMBER :
STATS COUNT : 1
STARTUP =ALIGNMENT/START,RECALL:, LIST= YES
ALIGNMENT/END FORMAT/TEXT,OPTIONS,ID,HEADINGS,SYMBOLS, ;NOM,TOL,MEAS,MAXMIN,DEV,DEVANG,OUTTOLComment
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Originally posted by emurray View Post
Is that exactly how it appears in pc-dmis??? It is kind of backwards.Comment
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I just copy and pasted and this is what I got. I took 3 hits on the top plane, 4 hits on circle 1, 2, 3, and 4. Then did an alignment for the last 3 circles. Set my speeds and clearance planes and that was it. I dont why it didnt post that wayComment
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Are any of the circles on the same x or y axis? if so create a line then use that line as a rotation in you alingment prior to zeroing out you X and YsigpicSummer Time. Gotta Love it!Comment
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Why don't you try that again. This time wrap what you past in [code][/code] tags. That way it will look more like pc-dmis looks. Start by highlighting from the start of your program to the end, copy it and paste it.
ie, when you post make it look like the following.
[code] paste stuff here [/code]
Your code looks all funny. The bit that posted at the end should be right up at the top of your program.Comment
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Here is the program again
PART NAME : Test
REV NUMBER :
SER NUMBER :
STATS COUNT : 1
STARTUP =ALIGNMENT/START,RECALL:, LIST= YES
ALIGNMENT/END
CLEARP/ZPLUS,0.5,ZPLUS,0
FORMAT/TEXT,OPTIONS,ID,HEADINGS,SYMBOLS, ;NOM,TOL,MEAS,MAXMIN,DEV,DEVANG,OUTTOL
MOVESPEED/ 50
FORMAT/TEXT,OPTIONS,ID,HEADINGS,SYMBOLS, ;NOM,TOL,MEAS,MAXMIN,DEV,DEVANG,OUTTOL
MODE/DCC
FORMAT/TEXT,OPTIONS,ID,HEADINGS,SYMBOLS, ;NOM,TOL,MEAS,MAXMIN,DEV,DEVANG,OUTTOL
CLEARP/ZPLUS,0.5,ZPLUS,0
MOVESPEED/ 50
COMMENT/OPER,NO,Warning! Machine will be in "DCC" mode.
MOVESPEED/ 100
TOUCHSPEED/ 1.2
FLY/ON,0.1181
LOADPROBE/1MM_20SHANK_40EXT
TIP/T1A0B0, SHANKIJK=0, 0, 1, ANGLE=0
PLN1 =FEAT/PLANE,RECT,TRIANGLE
THEO/16.3147,9.1915,-17.0908,-0.0127343,0.0015754,0.9999177
ACTL/15.5484,9.1693,-17.0866,0.0031603,-0.0018859,0.9999932
MEAS/PLANE,3
MOVE/CLEARPLANE
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,15.1793,11.6246,-17.1091,-0.0127343,0.0015754,0.9999177,17.3267,11.063,-17.0886,USE THEO = YES
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,18.0435,9.1007,-17.0686,-0.0127343,0.0015754,0.9999177,18.0434,9.1007,-17.0648,USE THEO = YES
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,15.7211,6.849,-17.0947,-0.0127343,0.0015754,0.9999177,15.721,6.8489,-17.0921,USE THEO = YES
ENDMEAS/
CIR1 =FEAT/CIRCLE,RECT,IN,LEAST_SQR
THEO/15.6201,9.3163,-17.5305,0,0,1,2.4947
ACTL/15.6205,9.3163,-17.6012,0,0,1,2.4905
MEAS/CIRCLE,4,WORKPLANE
MOVE/CLEARPLANE
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,15.5311,10.5553,-17.5306,0.0717007,-0.9974262,0,15.6321,8.1139,-17.6011,USE THEO = YES
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,15.5312,8.0772,-17.5305,0.0715583,0.9974364,0,15.4239,10.5031,-17.6013,USE THEO = YES
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,16.8721,9.3375,-17.5305,-0.9998575,-0.0168806,0,16.8697,9.2707,-17.6012,USE THEO = YES
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,14.3674,9.3373,-17.5305,0.9998593,-0.0167717,0,14.3697,9.2986,-17.6012,USE THEO = YES
ENDMEAS/
CIR2 =FEAT/CIRCLE,RECT,IN,LEAST_SQR
THEO/18.3599,7.6797,-17.6992,0,0,1,0.4473
ACTL/18.3601,7.6791,-17.6778,0,0,1,0.447
MEAS/CIRCLE,4,WORKPLANE
MOVE/CLEARPLANE
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,18.5667,7.5927,-17.6991,-0.9217923,0.3876841,0,18.5627,7.5818,-17.6778,USE THEO = YES
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,18.1734,7.8036,-17.6992,0.8330036,-0.5532675,0,18.1596,7.7793,-17.6778,USE THEO = YES
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,18.5713,7.751,-17.6991,-0.9475703,-0.3195474,0,18.531,7.8193,-17.6777,USE THEO = YES
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,18.2834,7.4699,-17.6992,0.3426368,0.9394679,0,18.2637,7.4788,-17.6778,USE THEO = YES
ENDMEAS/
CIR3 =FEAT/CIRCLE,RECT,IN,LEAST_SQR
THEO/15.6724,12.4934,-17.7498,0,0,1,0.4451
ACTL/15.6697,12.4937,-17.7223,0,0,1,0.4503
MEAS/CIRCLE,4,WORKPLANE
MOVE/CLEARPLANE
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,15.6813,12.27,-17.7497,-0.0394931,0.9992198,0,15.6893,12.6802,-17.7223,USE THEO = YES
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,15.6915,12.7163,-17.7498,-0.0850857,-0.9963736,0,15.6902,12.3072,-17.7223,USE THEO = YES
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,15.8933,12.5083,-17.7498,-0.9977194,-0.0674981,0,15.8936,12.4704,-17.7223,USE THEO = YES
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,15.4514,12.5083,-17.7499,0.9977298,-0.0673444,0,15.4457,12.4704,-17.7224,USE THEO = YES
ENDMEAS/
CIR4 =FEAT/CIRCLE,RECT,IN,LEAST_SQR
THEO/12.9418,7.5737,-17.6873,0,0,1,0.4465
ACTL/12.9411,7.5735,-17.7381,0,0,1,0.4467
MEAS/CIRCLE,4,WORKPLANE
MOVE/CLEARPLANE
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,13.1338,7.6895,-17.6873,-0.8563899,-0.5163297,0,13.1316,7.6922,-17.7381,USE THEO = YES
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,12.7713,7.4277,-17.6873,0.759656,0.6503252,0,12.7479,7.4596,-17.7381,USE THEO = YES
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,13.0433,7.3762,-17.6873,-0.4572583,0.8893339,0,13.0411,7.3751,-17.7381,USE THEO = YES
HIT/BASIC,NORMAL,12.794,7.7396,-17.6873,0.6650065,-0.7468376,0,12.8003,7.7452,-17.7381,USE THEO = YES
ENDMEAS/
DIM LOC1= TRUE POSITION OF CIRCLE CIR3 UNITS=IN ,$
GRAPH=OFF TEXT=OFF MULT=10.00 OUTPUT=BOTH DEV PERPEN CENTERLINE=OFF DISPLAY=DIAMETER
AX NOMINAL +TOL -TOL BONUS MEAS DEV DEVANG OUTTOL
X 15.6724 15.6699 -0.0025
Y 12.4934 12.4941 0.0007
DF 0.4451 0.0000 0.0000 0.0000 0.4503 0.0052 0.0052 -------->
D1 0.4465 0.0000 0.0000 0.4467 CIRCLE CIR4 AT RFS
D2 0.4473 0.0000 0.0000 0.4470 CIRCLE CIR2 AT RFS
TP MMC 0.0000 0.0000 0.0052 164.8219 0.0052 -------->
END OF DIMENSION LOC1
A2 =ALIGNMENT/START,RECALL:STARTUP, LIST= YES
ALIGNMENT/LEVEL,ZPLUS,PLN1
ALIGNMENT/TRANS,ZAXIS,PLN1
ALIGNMENT/TRANS,XAXIS,CIR1
ALIGNMENT/TRANS,YAXIS,CIR1
ALIGNMENT/END
RECALL/ALIGNMENT,INTERNAL,Comment
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You have no alignment until the very end of the program. Even then you have not set rotationOriginally posted by emurray View Post
Then it loks like you recall an alignment but it is not established? That will put zero back up to machine zero. Virtually anything you try to check from there will give you a parameter error.
I would:
Measure PLANE
LEVEL and TRANSLATE to PLANE
Meaure Datum Circle
TRANSLATE X and Y to CIRCLE
Measure Rotation Circle
ROTATE to Rotation Circle
You do not HAVE to do the alignment commands imbedded in the features like this. You can measure all the features you need then do the alignment. But, you must have an alignment set before you try to Define and Measure anything.
HTH,Bill Jarrells
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