Is there a way to not report the diameter for Position with Xact?

[RanDawgg]

I verified the hole size with other equipment, CMM reports these holes small. Is there a way to just not report them entirely? Thanks

[RIDER]

Under the nominals tab, un-check the DF (diameter of feature) box.

[RanDawgg]

That doesn't seem to do anything. Even if I have everything unchecked, it reports everything anyway.

[RIDER]

I haven't tried it in 2019 R2, but RanDawgg it works in R1. Did you redraw the report after turning the diameter off?

[derekvegeta]

It sounds like you're reporting multiple holes: Be sure to go under each tab and verify that its disabled for all the holes as opposed to just the first SET tab: I've noticed that sometimes changes in the set tab effect all subsequent features (as it should), but sometimes it doesn't

[kingsld1]

Either use legacy dimensioning, which adds its own set of complications, or the position reporting template would need to be modified. Can't give you instructions on how to do that but that likely what you would have to do. Complications with legacy include the need to create an alignment that matches your DRF's.

Other alternative is to put a disclaimer comment at the top of every report saying to ignore the diameter. Put lots of white space around it/ surround with *'s, \'s, #'s Someone will still breeze right past it but at least you gave a warning.

If you really want to complicate your life, input your measured diameters and insert them into a generic circle. You would also have to transfer your measured circle readings into the generic circle. Then you could still use Xact Measure for position. I'll see if I can work up some code for this method.

[kingsld1]

NO,

keyed in dimension
INSERT/ DIMENSION/ KEYIN


DIM MY_KEYIN1= KEYED IN DIMENSION OUTPUT=BOTH
AX NOMINAL +TOL -TOL MEAS DEV OUTTOL
M 5.000 0.130 0.130 5.100 0.100 0.000 -------#-
$$ NO,
KEYED IN DIMENSION
$$ NO,

probe the measured circle


CIR1 =FEAT/CONTACT/CIRCLE/DEFAULT,CARTESIAN,IN,LEAST_SQR
THEO/<0,127.5,19.5>,<0,0,1>,5.087
ACTL/<0,127.5,19.5>,<0,0,1>,5.087
TARG/<0,127.5,19.5>,<0,0,1>
START ANG=0,END ANG=360
ANGLE VEC=<-1,0,0>
DIRECTION=CCW
SHOW FEATURE PARAMETERS=YES
VOID DETECTION=NO
REMEASURE=NO
SURFACE=THICKNESS_NONE,0
MEASURE MODE=NOMINALS
RMEAS=NONE,NONE,NONE
AUTO WRIST=NO
GRAPHICAL ANALYSIS=NO
FEATURE LOCATOR=NO,NO,""
SHOW CONTACT PARAMETERS=YES
NUMHITS=7,DEPTH=5,PITCH=0
SAMPLE METHOD=SAMPLE_HITS
SAMPLE HITS=3,INIT SAMPLE HITS=3,SPACER=0
AVOIDANCE MOVE=BOTH,DISTANCE=10
FIND HOLE=DISABLED,ONERROR=NO,READ POS=NO
SHOW HITS=NO
$$ NO,

Create generic_cir1 from elements of measured cir1 and your keyed in diameter


GENERIC_CIR1=GENERIC/CIRCLE,DEPENDENT,CARTESIAN,OUT,$
NOM/XYZ,<CIR1.TX,CIR1.TY,CIR1.TZ>,$
MEAS/XYZ,<CIR1.X,CIR1.Y,CIR1.Z>,$
NOM/IJK,<CIR1.TI,CIR1.TJ,CIR1.TK>,$
MEAS/IJK,<CIR1.I,CIR1.J,CIR1.K>,$
DIAMETER/5,MY_KEYIN1.MEAS
$$ NO,

report generic_cir1 instead of the measured cir1

Obviously this is a location dimension not position but the same principles should apply


DIM D2= LOCATION OF CIRCLE GENERIC_CIR1 UNITS=MM ,$
GRAPH=OFF TEXT=OFF MULT=10.00 OUTPUT=BOTH HALF ANGLE=NO
AX NOMINAL +TOL -TOL MEAS DEV OUTTOL
X 0.000 0.050 0.050 0.000 0.000 0.000 ----#----
Y 127.500 0.050 0.050 127.500 0.000 0.000 ----#----
D 5.000 0.130 0.130 5.100 0.100 0.000 -------#-
END OF DIMENSION D2

[louisd]

That's sneaky, and brilliant, but also might put your integrity into question.
If you simply cannot zap the diameter, I feel it would be better to insert a comment stating diameter is to be manually verified with gage pins and leave it at that.

[kingsld1]

On the other hand..... If the diameter tolerance is tighter than what you feel comfortable reporting with a CMM then this works. Probably should have a comment saying that the diameter came from another piece of equipment. In any case, if someone watched you run this code there's no hiding the fact that you're keying in something.

Integrity comes from within the individual. I could easily write a program that looks extremely impressive but hard codes a value in somewhere or even has it vary just enough to not look suspicious. Couldn't sleep at night but it's possible. For that matter I could theoretically write down anything I wanted on a report or in a SPC package. Integrity is ground zero in this profession.

[UKCMM]

Rather than not reporting the hole size I would be more concerned as to why there is a difference in the results.

[KIRBSTER269]

maybe get a ring gage out and measure it to see what kind of result you get, but yeah I'm with UK on this.

[kingsld1]

I could see reporting position on a threaded hole that was measured using the pitch function. The diameter would be useless bit of potentially confusing information. But I do agree that getting a better correlation between the two measuring methods is greatly preferable.

[KIRBSTER269]

Oh, and agreement with King, <<<< hope nobody else see's this comment

[kingsld1]

whut comment

[Disal]

Did unchecking the box work for you? I'm trying to report XZ on True Position with Xact and it will only report x and ignore the rest. I have them checked and i also tried deleting it and redoing-but it still doesn't resport Z

[RanDawgg]

Checking/unchecking any of the boxes literally doesn't change the report in any way for me.

[Disal]

RanDawgg for me either. it's annoying. i report TP and then i also report Location of XZ

[RanDawgg]

Tell me about it. 2019R2?

[Disal]

RanDawgg 2019 R1

[louisd]

Did unchecking the box work for you? I'm trying to report XZ on True Position with Xact and it will only report x and ignore the rest. I have them checked and i also tried deleting it and redoing-but it still doesn't resport Z

Is your active workplane in Y? If not, that might be why you cannot output XZ.
I don't use Xact a lot, but it might also have to do with what your datums are controlling (or not controlling).

[Disal]

Is your active workplane in Y? If not, that might be why you cannot output XZ.
I don't use Xact a lot, but it might also have to do with what your datums are controlling (or not controlling).

Yes on Y+, and yes my datums are controlling XZ. It's basically a tube with holes in it, TP to AB, A is OD and B top plane. So it should report Z. I redrew the report and redid the TP but still doesn't report. Sorry RanDawgg ,not trying to take over your post

[mtalla]

open your report window. right click on line containing the info you don't want. click edit object. unclick what you don't need to report. click OK.

[mtalla]

You are very kind LouisD. We verify ALL close tolerance holes w/ gage pins or an Air Gage. This is something a Source Inspector can easily audit.
One can play with the circle calculation settings (max_insc etc.) touch speed - number of hits - depth to duplicate hole size. ( unless its shaped like a football, then its more difficult)
I do insert a Report note " diameters are ref. only"

[AndersI]

I verified the hole size with other equipment, CMM reports these holes small. Is there a way to just not report them entirely? Thanks

In the Report Window, right click on the part of the result that you don't want, and select "Hide Selected Labels"