Quick start window plane line line alignment not working as it should

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    I was giving some training at a customer Friday August 23rd and showed one of there personnel how to use the Quick Start window. With out a cad model and one of his alignments failed using the Plane Line Line Alignment option.It did the proper alignment when his first line was done in the X axis X plus direction the trihedron was rotated correctly but when he used his first line built in the Y Axis Y Plus direction it rotated the axis the wrong way.So This morning in my Office I was able to duplicate his issue with out a cad model and with a cad model.I have attached a snip it of the program and program code


    Quick Start Window Capture 1.JPGQuick Start Window Capture 2.JPG



    I am going to submit a Case ticket on the web site
    Michael A Wildschutz Sr
    I Walk on The WildSide
    "To Each is Own"

  • #2
    Not familiar with Quick start but if it follows the DMIS angular convention is working as it's supposed to.

    OK, when you look down on the part, Pc-dmis uses "ZPLUS" workplane but in DMIS convention is the XY plane (The first letter of the name is the primary).
    I'm sure when you select the line even though it runs along the Y plus the demon use it as a primary = 0 degrees unless you specify otherwise.
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    • #3
      Quickstart, Z is level, X is rotate. I've seen no place to change that.

      I always do a new alignment after the quickstart alignment because it still does what tech support confirmed as a bug with the alignment, you NEED to have 1 alignment that locks all 6 DOF or you could run into changing noms at some point.

      So, let the quickstart do the Z level and X rotate, just make a new one after with the correct level & rotate and all 3 axis origins (locking all 6 DOF).
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      Originally posted by AndersI
      I've got one from September 2006 (bug ticket) which has finally been fixed in 2013.

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      • #4
        None of your answers make any sense to me. Matt I should not have to do any other alignment, while using Quick Start. It should do everything for you and it should not matter in what direction you measure the line 1 for the secondary datum. It should still know what way to correctly rotate. Roberto it is very obvious that you do not know Quick Start..Quick start uses a canned routine the operator has no choice to choose anything..other than what type of alignment he wants to use...maybe you should investigate before you answer...
        Michael A Wildschutz Sr
        I Walk on The WildSide
        "To Each is Own"

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        • #5
          Originally posted by michaelwildschutz View Post
          None of your answers make any sense to me. Matt I should not have to do any other alignment, while using Quick Start. It should do everything for you and it should not matter in what direction you measure the line 1 for the secondary datum. It should still know what way to correctly rotate. Roberto it is very obvious that you do not know Quick Start..Quick start uses a canned routine the operator has no choice to choose anything..other than what type of alignment he wants to use...maybe you should investigate before you answer...
          What Matthew D. Hoedeman is saying is exactly what I am seeing. It seems to Level to first feature, ROTATEX to second feature, etc.... If you are picking a line in Y direction as your second line, don't. The command mode code that appears proves that it rotates X. There must be some defined way, otherwise how would the software know whether you wanted X or Y. I don't believe this is a bug, it is just a solid understanding of Quick Start. The bug that Matt had mentioned was just a heads up for your own sake, going forward with Quick Start. Roberto was simply clarifying some basics regarding how PC-DMIS deals with workplanes and made it clear with his first few words that he was not familiar with Quick Start.

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          • #6
            Well that just seems to be ridiculous that you are constrained to only use a line to stop rotation in the x direction.You should be able to use any line in any direction....No where does it say that you can only rotate in the X direction
            Michael A Wildschutz Sr
            I Walk on The WildSide
            "To Each is Own"

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            • JacobCheverie
              JacobCheverie commented
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              It doesn't say that anywhere that I can see, but that's what it does when using Quick Start. Maybe putting in a ticket will help Hexagon look into it. Also, put in a request here

              https://hexagonmi.userecho.com/communities/1-pc-dmis

              Maybe others will vote on it and we'll see it in future releases. As a side, have you actually gotten it to work any other way before? Also, why not just F9 the alignment command in command mode and change the rotate drop down selection?

          • #7
            I have all ready place a ticket with hexagon and it is not for me it is for beginners.I can do the proper alignment with out using the Quick Start window..This is for other people (beginners) that do not know how to do alignments properly
            Michael A Wildschutz Sr
            I Walk on The WildSide
            "To Each is Own"

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            • JacobCheverie
              JacobCheverie commented
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              Just keep in mind, if it isn't actually a bug but more of a core function of Quick Start, then you will want to share it on the Idea Center before putting a support ticket in. Also, the beginners can be trained to select a line along X first, and avoid all of these issues. You can type up a note and stick it by their machine; or even better some form of controlled quality instruction. At least until/if Hexagon decides to add this functionality.

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