Datum Definition from a Feature Set, you dont want to do it!

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    Datum Definition from a Feature Set, you dont want to do it!

    I just lost a program Ive been working on for two days and of course I like need it yesterday...

    Word of caution, NEVER add a Datum Definition to your program from a set of features. As soon as you use it in a dimension all of your program code below that feature set will be deleted... Nice huh...

    This is new feature in v4.1 must be called the Auto Destruct sequence, unfortunately you dont get the sexy voice counting down to keep you calm, it just blows up.

    I guess its break time!!!
    Mr. Comment
    SCIROCCO-NT 13-20-10
    B3C-LC Controller (Leitz Protocol), SP600M, TP200
    PCDMIS CAD++ v4.3 MR1(Build: 12/11/08)
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  • #2
    Originally posted by MrComment
    .......This is new feature in v4.1 must be called the Auto Destruct sequence.......
    Yes it is reported to be the number one cause of a condition known as "smash mode".

    This is the kind of stuff I was talking about in the "I hate PCDMIS, MM is the bomb" thread. I just do not believe that the advancement of CAD integration is going to fix these code problems.
    <internet bumper sticker goes here>

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    • #3
      sweet enhancement......sucks man...sorry
      sigpic.....Its called golf because all the other 4 letter words were taken

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      • #4
        Originally posted by MrComment View Post
        I just lost a program Ive been working on for two days and of course I like need it yesterday...

        Word of caution, NEVER add a Datum Definition to your program from a set of features. As soon as you use it in a dimension all of your program code below that feature set will be deleted... Nice huh...

        This is new feature in v4.1 must be called the Auto Destruct sequence, unfortunately you dont get the sexy voice counting down to keep you calm, it just blows up.

        I guess its break time!!!
        Sorry for your loss.

        Can you explain a little further what steps you took. I'll try to recreate it and see what happens in 4.2?
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        James Mannes

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        • #5
          This how code looks before trying to add a none legacy style True Position Dimension to PNT1, just for shits an giggles..

          Code:
          STARTUP    =ALIGNMENT/START,RECALL:,LIST=YES
            ALIGNMENT/END
            MODE/MANUAL
            FORMAT/TEXT,OPTIONS, ,HEADINGS,SYMBOLS, ;NOM,TOL,MEAS,DEV,OUTTOL, , 
            LOADPROBE/20X4X20
            TIP/T1A0B0, SHANKIJK=0, 0, 1, ANGLE=0
PLN1       =AUTO/PLANE,SHOWALLPARAMS = YES,SHOWHITS = YES
            THEO/175,0,-22,0,1,0
            ACTL/175,0,-22,0,1,0
            TARG/175,0,-22,0,1,0
            THEO_THICKNESS = 0,RECT,TRIANGLE,$
            AUTO MOVE = BOTH,DISTANCE = 15,RMEAS = None,None,None,$
            NUMHITS = 3,NUMROWS = 1,SPACER = 34.6,RADIAL,$
            VOID DETECT = NO,$
            ANGLE VEC = -1,0,0
            MEAS/PLANE
            HIT/BASIC,140.4,0,-22,0,1,0,140.4,0,-22
            HIT/BASIC,192.3,0,7.964,0,1,0,192.3,0,7.964
            HIT/BASIC,192.3,0,-51.964,0,1,0,192.3,0,-51.964
            ENDMEAS/
            DATDEF/FEATURE=PLN1,DATUM=A
CIR1       =AUTO/CIRCLE,SHOWALLPARAMS = YES,SHOWHITS = YES
            THEO/0,0,-22,0,1,0,9
            ACTL/0,0,-22,0,1,0,9
            TARG/0,0,-22,0,1,0
            THEO_THICKNESS = 0,RECT,IN,STRAIGHT,LEAST_SQR,ONERROR = NO,$
            AUTO MOVE = BOTH,DISTANCE = 15,RMEAS = None,None,None,$
            READ POS = NO,FIND HOLE = DISABLED,REMEASURE = NO,$
            NUMHITS = 7,INIT = 3,PERM = 3,SPACER = 1.3,PITCH = 0,$
            START ANG = 0,END ANG = 360,DEPTH = 0,$
            VOID DETECT = NO,$
            ANGLE VEC = -1,0,0
            MEAS/CIRCLE
            HIT/BASIC,-4.5,0,-22,1,0,0,-4.5,0,-22
            HIT/BASIC,-2.806,0,-18.482,0.6234898,0,-0.7818315,-2.806,0,-18.482
            HIT/BASIC,1.001,0,-17.613,-0.2225209,0,-0.9749279,1.001,0,-17.613
            HIT/BASIC,4.054,0,-20.048,-0.9009689,0,-0.4338837,4.054,0,-20.048
            HIT/BASIC,4.054,0,-23.952,-0.9009689,0,0.4338837,4.054,0,-23.952
            HIT/BASIC,1.001,0,-26.387,-0.2225209,0,0.9749279,1.001,0,-26.387
            HIT/BASIC,-2.806,0,-25.518,0.6234898,0,0.7818315,-2.806,0,-25.518
            ENDMEAS/
CIR2       =AUTO/CIRCLE,SHOWALLPARAMS = YES,SHOWHITS = YES
            THEO/175,0,-22,0,1,0,9
            ACTL/175,0,-22,0,1,0,9
            TARG/175,0,-22,0,1,0
            THEO_THICKNESS = 0,RECT,IN,STRAIGHT,LEAST_SQR,ONERROR = NO,$
            AUTO MOVE = BOTH,DISTANCE = 15,RMEAS = None,None,None,$
            READ POS = NO,FIND HOLE = DISABLED,REMEASURE = NO,$
            NUMHITS = 7,INIT = 3,PERM = 3,SPACER = 1.3,PITCH = 0,$
            START ANG = 0,END ANG = 360,DEPTH = 0,$
            VOID DETECT = NO,$
            ANGLE VEC = -1,0,0
            MEAS/CIRCLE
            HIT/BASIC,170.5,0,-22,1,0,0,170.5,0,-22
            HIT/BASIC,172.194,0,-18.482,0.6234898,0,-0.7818315,172.194,0,-18.482
            HIT/BASIC,176.001,0,-17.613,-0.2225209,0,-0.9749279,176.001,0,-17.613
            HIT/BASIC,179.054,0,-20.048,-0.9009689,0,-0.4338837,179.054,0,-20.048
            HIT/BASIC,179.054,0,-23.952,-0.9009689,0,0.4338837,179.054,0,-23.952
            HIT/BASIC,176.001,0,-26.387,-0.2225209,0,0.9749279,176.001,0,-26.387
            HIT/BASIC,172.194,0,-25.518,0.6234898,0,0.7818315,172.194,0,-25.518
            ENDMEAS/
SCN1       =FEAT/SET,RECT
            THEO/87.5,0,-22,0,0,1
            ACTL/87.5,0,-22,0,0,1
            CONSTR/SET,BASIC,CIR1,CIR2,,
            DATDEF/FEATURE=SCN1,DATUM=B
A1         =ALIGNMENT/START,RECALL:STARTUP,LIST=YES
            ALIGNMENT/LEVEL,YPLUS,PLN1
            ALIGNMENT/ROTATE_CIRCLE,XPLUS,TO,CIR1,AND,CIR2,ABOUT,YPLUS
            ALIGNMENT/TRANS,XAXIS,CIR1
            ALIGNMENT/TRANS,ZAXIS,CIR1
            ALIGNMENT/TRANS,YAXIS,PLN1
            ALIGNMENT/END
PNT1       =FEAT/POINT,RECT
            THEO/100,100,100,0,0,1
            ACTL/100,100,100,0,0,1
            CONSTR/POINT,OFFSET,,100,100,100
PNT2       =FEAT/POINT,RECT
            THEO/200,200,100,0,0,1
            ACTL/200,200,100,0,0,1
            CONSTR/POINT,OFFSET,,200,200,100
PNT3       =FEAT/POINT,RECT
            THEO/300,200,100,0,0,1
            ACTL/300,200,100,0,0,1
            CONSTR/POINT,OFFSET,,300,200,100
DIM LOC1= LOCATION OF POINT PNT1  UNITS=MM ,$
GRAPH=OFF  TEXT=OFF  MULT=10.00  OUTPUT=BOTH
AX    NOMINAL       +TOL       -TOL       MEAS        DEV     OUTTOL
X     100.000      0.010      0.010    100.000      0.000      0.000 ----#----
Y     100.000      0.010      0.010    100.000      0.000      0.000 ----#----
Z     100.000      0.010      0.010    100.000      0.000      0.000 ----#----
END OF DIMENSION LOC1
DIM LOC2= LOCATION OF POINT PNT2  UNITS=MM ,$
GRAPH=OFF  TEXT=OFF  MULT=10.00  OUTPUT=BOTH
AX    NOMINAL       +TOL       -TOL       MEAS        DEV     OUTTOL
X     200.000      0.010      0.010    200.000      0.000      0.000 ----#----
Y     200.000      0.010      0.010    200.000      0.000      0.000 ----#----
Z     100.000      0.010      0.010    100.000      0.000      0.000 ----#----
END OF DIMENSION LOC2
DIM LOC3= LOCATION OF POINT PNT3  UNITS=MM ,$
GRAPH=OFF  TEXT=OFF  MULT=10.00  OUTPUT=BOTH
AX    NOMINAL       +TOL       -TOL       MEAS        DEV     OUTTOL
X     300.000      0.010      0.010    300.000      0.000      0.000 ----#----
Y     200.000      0.010      0.010    200.000      0.000      0.000 ----#----
Z     100.000      0.010      0.010    100.000      0.000      0.000 ----#----
END OF DIMENSION LOC3
          So I add the True Positon dimension and use Datum A as my primary datum and Datum B I put a MMC on it. What the **** Designers do it who cares if it makes sense it looks cool. (Thats all that matters right?)

          My post to too long I guess Continues below:
          Mr. Comment
          SCIROCCO-NT 13-20-10
          B3C-LC Controller (Leitz Protocol), SP600M, TP200
          PCDMIS CAD++ v4.3 MR1(Build: 12/11/08)
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          • #6
            Anyway initially you dont notice that anything has just went amuck and your program is now toast. Until you go to add another feature and start to see some of your features are missing. Hummm, So logically a restart might fix the problem right? After all the code still the looks the same as above.

            After restarting though you open the program and looks like it does below.

            What do the magicians say? "Now you see it. Now you dont." Real Magicians on the other hand make the item reappear. PCDMIS magic suck's as's because its gone forever.


            Code:
            STARTUP    =ALIGNMENT/START,RECALL:,LIST=YES
            ALIGNMENT/END
            MODE/MANUAL
            FORMAT/TEXT,OPTIONS, ,HEADINGS,SYMBOLS, ;NOM,TOL,MEAS,DEV,OUTTOL, , 
            LOADPROBE/20X4X20
            TIP/T1A0B0, SHANKIJK=0, 0, 1, ANGLE=0
PLN1       =AUTO/PLANE,SHOWALLPARAMS = YES,SHOWHITS = YES
            THEO/175,0,-22,0,1,0
            ACTL/175,0,-22,0,1,0
            TARG/175,0,-22,0,1,0
            THEO_THICKNESS = 0,RECT,TRIANGLE,$
            AUTO MOVE = BOTH,DISTANCE = 15,RMEAS = None,None,None,$
            NUMHITS = 3,NUMROWS = 1,SPACER = 34.6,RADIAL,$
            VOID DETECT = NO,$
            ANGLE VEC = -1,0,0
            MEAS/PLANE
            HIT/BASIC,140.4,0,-22,0,1,0,140.4,0,-22
            HIT/BASIC,192.3,0,7.964,0,1,0,192.3,0,7.964
            HIT/BASIC,192.3,0,-51.964,0,1,0,192.3,0,-51.964
            ENDMEAS/
            DATDEF/FEATURE=PLN1,DATUM=A
CIR1       =AUTO/CIRCLE,SHOWALLPARAMS = YES,SHOWHITS = YES
            THEO/0,0,-22,0,1,0,9
            ACTL/0,0,-22,0,1,0,9
            TARG/0,0,-22,0,1,0
            THEO_THICKNESS = 0,RECT,IN,STRAIGHT,LEAST_SQR,ONERROR = NO,$
            AUTO MOVE = BOTH,DISTANCE = 15,RMEAS = None,None,None,$
            READ POS = NO,FIND HOLE = DISABLED,REMEASURE = NO,$
            NUMHITS = 7,INIT = 3,PERM = 3,SPACER = 1.3,PITCH = 0,$
            START ANG = 0,END ANG = 360,DEPTH = 0,$
            VOID DETECT = NO,$
            ANGLE VEC = -1,0,0
            MEAS/CIRCLE
            HIT/BASIC,-4.5,0,-22,1,0,0,-4.5,0,-22
            HIT/BASIC,-2.806,0,-18.482,0.6234898,0,-0.7818315,-2.806,0,-18.482
            HIT/BASIC,1.001,0,-17.613,-0.2225209,0,-0.9749279,1.001,0,-17.613
            HIT/BASIC,4.054,0,-20.048,-0.9009689,0,-0.4338837,4.054,0,-20.048
            HIT/BASIC,4.054,0,-23.952,-0.9009689,0,0.4338837,4.054,0,-23.952
            HIT/BASIC,1.001,0,-26.387,-0.2225209,0,0.9749279,1.001,0,-26.387
            HIT/BASIC,-2.806,0,-25.518,0.6234898,0,0.7818315,-2.806,0,-25.518
            ENDMEAS/
CIR2       =AUTO/CIRCLE,SHOWALLPARAMS = YES,SHOWHITS = YES
            THEO/175,0,-22,0,1,0,9
            ACTL/175,0,-22,0,1,0,9
            TARG/175,0,-22,0,1,0
            THEO_THICKNESS = 0,RECT,IN,STRAIGHT,LEAST_SQR,ONERROR = NO,$
            AUTO MOVE = BOTH,DISTANCE = 15,RMEAS = None,None,None,$
            READ POS = NO,FIND HOLE = DISABLED,REMEASURE = NO,$
            NUMHITS = 7,INIT = 3,PERM = 3,SPACER = 1.3,PITCH = 0,$
            START ANG = 0,END ANG = 360,DEPTH = 0,$
            VOID DETECT = NO,$
            ANGLE VEC = -1,0,0
            MEAS/CIRCLE
            HIT/BASIC,170.5,0,-22,1,0,0,170.5,0,-22
            HIT/BASIC,172.194,0,-18.482,0.6234898,0,-0.7818315,172.194,0,-18.482
            HIT/BASIC,176.001,0,-17.613,-0.2225209,0,-0.9749279,176.001,0,-17.613
            HIT/BASIC,179.054,0,-20.048,-0.9009689,0,-0.4338837,179.054,0,-20.048
            HIT/BASIC,179.054,0,-23.952,-0.9009689,0,0.4338837,179.054,0,-23.952
            HIT/BASIC,176.001,0,-26.387,-0.2225209,0,0.9749279,176.001,0,-26.387
            HIT/BASIC,172.194,0,-25.518,0.6234898,0,0.7818315,172.194,0,-25.518
            ENDMEAS/
SCN1       =FEAT/SET,RECT
            THEO/87.5,0,-22,0,0,1
            ACTL/87.5,0,-22,0,1,0
            CONSTR/SET,BASIC,CIR1,CIR2,,
DIM LOC4= TRUE POSITION OF    UNITS=MM ,$
GRAPH=OFF  TEXT=OFF  MULT=10.00  OUTPUT=BOTH  FIT TO DATUMS=ON  DEV PERPEN CENTERLINE=ON  DISPLAY=DIAMETER
AX    NOMINAL       +TOL       -TOL      BONUS       MEAS        DEV     OUTTOL
X     100.000                                     100.000      0.000           
Y     100.000                                     100.000      0.000           
Z     100.000                                    -140.885   -240.885           
D1                                                        PLANE PLN1 AT RFS           
D2     15.961      0.010      0.010      0.010     15.961 SET SCN1 AT MMC           
TP        RFS      1.000                 0.010               481.770    480.760 -------->
END OF DIMENSION LOC4
            Mr. Comment
            SCIROCCO-NT 13-20-10
            B3C-LC Controller (Leitz Protocol), SP600M, TP200
            PCDMIS CAD++ v4.3 MR1(Build: 12/11/08)
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