Thinking this may be a glich

[Spencer_23]

Trying to report a runout of a surface to a surface and a face using xact measure seems to give me the right deviation but if I turn or graphics it seems like the error/vector is flipped. If I report it as a parallelism which is what it seems to be reporting at anyways it matches what I see on the machine using indicators. looks like axial runout is just like the hole concentricity being report as position. any more insight would be helpful.

[Josh Carpenter]

Trying to report a runout of a surface to a surface and a face

Well there's your problem.
Runout requires a primary datum that's a centerline/centerpoint, a surface cannot be datum for runout.

[Spencer_23]

Well there's your problem.
Runout requires a primary datum that's a centerline/centerpoint, a surface cannot be datum for runout.

Ooops I miss spoke,
So my datum -A- is a surface
datum -B- is a bore
and its runout of a back surface which is parallel to -A-
runout to -A-B-

[Josh Carpenter]

Ooops I miss spoke,
So my datum -A- is a surface
datum -B- is a bore
and its runout of a back surface which is parallel to -A-
runout to -A-B-

The callout should say runout to B A then. Primary must be centerline/centerpoint.

[Spencer_23]

The callout should say runout to B A then. Primary must be centerline/centerpoint.

is that a dmis thing?

[ir a programmer]

is that a dmis thing?

It's a GD&T "thing"

[Spencer_23]

runout.png
based off ASME Y14.5

[Josh Carpenter]

[ATTACH=CONFIG]10680[/ATTACH]
based off ASME Y14.5

That's a good find, thank you. Now I see what your print wants. It's rare and really tricky to check mechanically unless you build a special whirligig that holds the part with the plane as primary and centerline as secondary. Every whirligig I've used has a chuck that holds the centerline datum as primary.

Trying to report a runout of a surface to a surface and a face using xact measure seems to give me the right deviation but if I turn or graphics it seems like the error/vector is flipped. If I report it as a parallelism which is what it seems to be reporting at anyways it matches what I see on the machine using indicators. looks like axial runout is just like the hole concentricity being report as position. any more insight would be helpful.

So I went back and re-read your 1st post more carefully.
It seems your #1 problem is a graphics arrow and your #2 problem is that unless you are spinning the part clamped to the A plane but rotating around B bore center you're not going to see the same deviation. Just running the indicator over a motionless part is parallelism - although the results should not be too much different if you're sweeping over the whole surface and the part is not mangled. How much different are your results?

[Spencer_23]

Yeah definitely something you do not see everyday, I have not had the time to see if putting the bore -B-(circle) so no axis as primary too see if it would fix my graphics issues or not hope to try it out later today. I know its not "right" but I'm thinking it will give me the same deviation and may fix my graphics which would be nice! thanks for the help.