Hyperview

[BAC06]

Hi All,

I am starting to play with some hyperview reporting for the first time. My first question is, does anybody know of any hyperview templates out there anywhere?

Thanks in advance!

[B. Jacobs]

Yes Please inlighten us on what, how, and why are hyperviews used. I have heard the term but have no idea what they are or are used for. thanks

[tking]

Me 2! No clue how to use and no time to tinker right now.

TK

[Matthew D. Hoedeman]

They are handy for making a graphical representation of the part you just checked. You can have a picture of the part, little boxes showing the deviations, leader lines, etc. But, for now, as far as I know, they will only give you the LAST part you checked, not a summary of the last 3 or 6 or 10 or 30, just a single part. They can be a little difficult to put together, but it is a lot like VB in how it is done. Myself, I didn't like the 1-part-only aspect, so I made my own 'hyper-report' using Datapage (as the data collector) and Excel (as the report itself). I have a 'template' and it takes half an hour to 2 or 3 hours depending on the number of points I am reporting to set up the template for the part and I can report as many as 30 parts at once as as summary or a single part of the 30, or a road-map of all the point just by changing the value in 1 cell of the form (all the data is in the form, it does not go away with the changes). It also does all the SPC calculations for up to 30 check points in addition to reporting the (up to) 240 surface points, (up to) 240 trim points, (up to) 240 hole dimensions and (up to) 60 true positions (with the correct bonus added to each sample). All you do once you have the form set up for the part is copy and paste from a DATA report from Datapage and it is ready to go. The Hyper report gave me the idea, then I ran with it on my own in Excel. So far, all my customers have loved this report. It is easily emailed (even if it is rather LARGE) to anyone, anywhere, and since Excel is so VERY popular, just about anyone can open the file. So, think about Excel as well as the hyper report and see which way you think would work better for you. Now, I'll admit, it took a conciderable amount of time for me to get my 'master' excel form ready for use, but I can copy it and set it up for a part faster than I can make the hyper-report. The excel form is all drag-and-drop for what you need and it is ready to go. Hyper reports are great for show-and-tell with your customers since you can get one as soon as the printer can stop printing once you check the part. But, if there are 10 parts, then you have 10 hyper-reports that you have to look at and try to 'see' what all the parts are doing. Granted, my excel form isn't as instant as the hyper-report, but it takes me all of 2 minutes to get one ready after checking a part (or the last part of 30) and then print it out. Neither the hyper-report nor my excel form is very cost-effective for single-part or very limited part runs. But, if it is something you are going to be making and checking a lot of, either one can be a great help for getting the part 'tuned-in' as it is easier to 'see' what is what if it is in picture form than a report covered with numbers and a road-map of the check points.

[B. Jacobs]

Can you use Hyper-Report without Datapage? I think I would like to play around with it and see what it does but am not sure where to begin.

[T Miller]

You can use it without datapage.
Just play with it you can put together something that looks good and is pretty simple pretty quick... Like Matt Said tho only one part at a time.. Why I gave up on it

[Matthew D. Hoedeman]

Yep, hyper-report is all inclusive with Pcdmis, starting at some version, not sure which. VB knowledge will be very helpful for using Hyper-report as the forms sure look the same from one to the other. As to where to start, that is a good one. I think there is a tutorial somewhere, either in Pcdmis or on the Wilcox site, not sure which. I tried the H-R quite some time ago, and went a different direction, so you will probably have to search for it OR some helpful soul here will pop up the info on where it is at.

[Don Ruggieri]

Hyper-Reporting and v4.0

As with another post I filed earlier today, I don't start out trying to make this sound like a sales pitch, but there are some things I'd like to make people aware of with Hyper-Reporting.

Earlier posts are correct about it only representing 1 part. This is the overall nature of PC-DMIS as a standalone product. It does not store multiple runs of data into any database. It only stores 1 part in the program itself. Its reporting options are no different. Whether referring to PC-DMIS, Hyper-Reporting, or some customer BASIC reporting method, only 1 part's worth of data is available unless you come up with a scheme to store it yourself.

DataPage by nature is a database designed to store multiple runs of data. Any tools that work with DataPage have access to these many runs. DataPage of course offers a number of reporting formats, but another option is DataView which (simply put) combines part graphics with statistical analyses.

My real intention though with this post was to inform users that the design and development of Hyper-Reports are no longer supported in version 4.0. It will continue to display and print out existing hyper-reports from older programs, but you cannot edit them in version 4.0. The new reporting functionality emplys what are referred to as Report templates and Label templates. Their development and design tools are much like those of hyper-reporting, so anythin learned is not lost. And, again like Hypoer-Reporting, they employ tools not unlike Visual BASIC forms, so there again the transition will go easier.

In summary, I guess my point is this. If you are just starting out with hyper-reports, learn all you can from them but don't generate too many reports that you'll want to edit down the road. You'll be better off taking that knowledge and writing cutso reports with v4.0's report templates. If you already have HyperReports from v3.7 and earlier, they will be supported but you'll want to hang on to that older version until either of a) you no longer need to edit those reports, or b)you have time to re-design the reports in v4.0.

Enough of my rambling. If you are confused by it, please ask and I will be glad to try to answer. . .

[Matthew D. Hoedeman]

OK, with V4.0+, will we still be able to, without any mucking about with templates and such, print to a file the RTF reports that we currently can or do we have to do a bunch of messing around to get back to where we are? I don't use the 'pretty' picture, colored graphic, boxed up dimensions, I use the old standard (see below) and want to continue to use it WITHOUT the need to go and set it up, just turn it on like now, print to file, RTF (of course, DOC would be better) and run.

DIM D005= LOCATION OF POINT 6AB-01 UNITS=MM
AX NOMINAL +TOL -TOL MEAS DEV OUTTOL
X 1841.088 1.000 1.000 1841.050 -0.038 0.000 ----#----
Y 882.546 1.000 1.000 882.528 -0.018 0.000 ----#----
Z 1781.699 1.000 1.000 1781.797 0.098 0.000 ----#----
T 0.000 0.700 0.700 0.100 0.100 0.000 -----#---
S 0.000 0.500 0.500 0.003 0.003 0.000 ----#----

[BAC06]

Thanks everybody!
As a first timer on the forum, I can definetely see a value. Considering these 10 minutes of reading probably saved me hours of sittting at the machine trying to figure out something that's really not what I was hoping it to be. I have researched the Datapage a little bit, and think I will focus more in that direction. I did manage to get something out of the hyperview that I can use internally so all's not wasted.

[T Miller]

I also have a few programs that use HR as set up sheets as a guide