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    Hello All Seniors,

    I am a new commer in this measurement field. I have been practising on starrett vb 612 from last 45 days.
    My training is starting on 26th jun 06. Can some one tell me what topics should I brush up before going in for training from HEXAGON on B&S MicroVal Pfx 454 with PC-DMIS V3.5.
    And what are the pariticular problems which I could face at initial stage of my carreer, so that I could ask the solutions from the trainer itself.

    Thanks And Regards
    Guru

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    Check which version you be learning on.
    They will not 'train' you to be a cmm programmer. They will train you on how to use the software. 2 diff things in my opinion. Get with an exp programer from your area for the nuts and bolts of metrology, or use this forum. Welcome!!
    Kevin
    RFS Means Really Fussy Stuff

    When all you have is a hammer - everything looks like a nail....
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    • #3
      The best thing you can do is to grab some 'real' parts from your place of employment and try to get the numbers needed to confirm (or not) that it is a good part. Try it from start to finish. Then, keep track of all the things YOU had a problem with. Those are what you should question them about at training.
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      Originally posted by AndersI
      I've got one from September 2006 (bug ticket) which has finally been fixed in 2013.

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      • #4
        Learn other methods of Inspection too. Focus on learning surface plate layout and GD&T. Programming is one thing, Inspecting is another. Someone that Inspects can learn to program faster than a programmer can learn to inspect. Ask questions. This is a great place for information. Some of the best Mechanical Inspectors around visit this site. I started to list names, but there are too many. Did I say ask questions? Don't let your ego get in the way. Ask away!
        When in doubt, post code. A second set of eyes might see something you missed.
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        • #5
          Get some books, infomation, and/or classes on GD&T (Geometric Demension and Tolerancing) for your blue print interpetation.

          BS
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          Pc-Dmis 2015
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          • #6
            One of the best ways I've found is to hand the "new" guy / gal a 1-2-3 block. Tell them to put it on the table skewed to the machine axes with something underneath one corner so it doesn't sit nicely perpendicular to the Z axis. Fix it in place so it doesn't move. Since we know it's dimensions when we use the tools correctly we can prove it is indeed a 1-2-3 block. Let 'em practice and struggle and ask questions. I've found the brighter ones tend to answer their own questions simply because they know when they got it right.

            Enjoy,

            TK
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            • #7
              Originally posted by John Kingston
              Learn other methods of Inspection too. Focus on learning surface plate layout and GD&T. Programming is one thing, Inspecting is another. Someone that Inspects can learn to program faster than a programmer can learn to inspect. Ask questions. This is a great place for information. Some of the best Mechanical Inspectors around visit this site. I started to list names, but there are too many. Did I say ask questions? Don't let your ego get in the way. Ask away!
              Thank you John, that just can not be said enough. You will need to settle some arguments, no way around that. People will dislike you and you will need the amo to send them packing. If you can't lay a part out you will never win. When I started at this shop no one believed in the CMM. The guy before me was a noob on the CMM who also did not know how to lay a part out. Whatever the CMM said everyone ignored (unless it said the parts were good). It took me a while to bring some folks around but when you say a part is out and a manager and the guys that made the part say bull$hit, you say oh yeah? Then walk it over to the granite lay it out in front of them (which they should have done in the first place) and tell them "now I've got two gages that say you make junk, what do you have?" I love doing that. I had to use three different gaging methods with one of our monkeys one time. All read the same but he kept saying they were wrong. I told him to lay it out and he didn't know how. Stupid monkey, go back to your machine and try again.

              Craig
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              • #8
                I don't know that I have much to add to what the other fellas have already succintly stated. One good read for a person new to the voodoo/blackmagic of CMM's/PC-DMIS is this link...
                http://www.brownandsharpe.com/intro_to_cm.asp
                It gives a nice overview of coordinate metrology.
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                • #9
                  Yes what everyone else said.

                  Now about the name. Guru. Whats that all about. I am only a Demi-Guru and it took me hours of screw off time to earn that. What makes you a Guru? Being a newbie and all.
                  Last edited by Paul Sarrach; 06-16-2006, 09:06 AM.
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                  • #10
                    Dear Sir,
                    My Name is Gurpreet S Gill. And I was called Guru by my mates in School and College Times. So, I just wrote the id as "Guru Gill".
                    I know I am not a "Guru" in this field, Not at all. I am a freshie and I know Life is a never ending learning process. And the best way of learning is to learn from senior's experience rather than committing mistakes yourself.
                    I think you all will agree to this, that this is the reason why you all are together here and now another one.
                    I was feeling lonely initially as I am the only one who will work on CMM and dont have a senior member who can guide me much. But not now,I have a good CMM community to help me in the time of need.

                    Thanks for all your guidance and responces .
                    I hope I'll get similar responces in future also when I get stuck somewhere.

                    Once again Thanks
                    Gurpreet Gill

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                    • #11
                      WELCOME & Good Luck GURU ! ! !
                      Last edited by rangerboat72; 06-19-2006, 07:35 AM.
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Guru Gill

                        Thanks for all your guidance and responces .
                        I hope I'll get similar responces in future also when I get stuck somewhere.

                        Once again Thanks
                        Gurpreet Gill
                        Hello & Welcome Gurpreet,
                        You will find plenty of quick and usually accurate help here. There is a large learning curve in front of you, but you can climb it if you keep at it.



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                        • #13
                          Welcome to the Forum Guru Gill
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                          • #14
                            Welcome Freshie,

                            I was just joking about the name. We here on the forum have strange senses of humor. Just check the off topic section of the forum. I was just busting your balls because you are a Newbie ( Freshie) Good luck. Hope to see more of you here. By the way, dont call me sir. I let it go this time.

                            Originally posted by Guru Gill
                            Dear Sir,
                            My Name is Gurpreet S Gill. And I was called Guru by my mates in School and College Times. So, I just wrote the id as "Guru Gill".
                            I know I am not a "Guru" in this field, Not at all. I am a freshie and I know Life is a never ending learning process. And the best way of learning is to learn from senior's experience rather than committing mistakes yourself.
                            I think you all will agree to this, that this is the reason why you all are together here and now another one.
                            I was feeling lonely initially as I am the only one who will work on CMM and dont have a senior member who can guide me much. But not now,I have a good CMM community to help me in the time of need.

                            Thanks for all your guidance and responces .
                            I hope I'll get similar responces in future also when I get stuck somewhere.

                            Once again Thanks
                            Gurpreet Gill
                            sigpicSummer Time. Gotta Love it!

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                            • #15
                              Thats right. Call Paul the Forum Hoe~~
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